EBible Fellowship Sunday Bible Study – 19-Apr-2009


by John McOwen


This morning is going to be two-fold; we are going to take a look at two different topics, briefly.  We are going to look at two issues that are very, very important.  They are very contemporary to our day and you are talking about them a lot if you are familiar with the day and the age that we are living in.

The very first issue we are going to talk about this morning is going to be the church, the death of the church.  Then we are going to talk about the timeline, where we are in the timeline of history. 

I am going to try to really summarize some things.  We cannot do an exhaustive study in the time that we have, of course.  We have done this in the past.  We have looked at the timeline of history at length.  But today, we really want to look at just two main issues with the death of the church.  We are going to look at why it is dead and how the Scriptures support the fact that the church would die.  We believe we are in the time when it is dead.  And as well, we are going to look at the timeline of history to see where we are in that great scheme of God’s plan of the whole universe, from creation until the very end. 

We will begin in Revelation 17.  I do want to talk about the fact that the church is dead.  It was always predicted that it would die, back when Revelation was first written, the last book of the New Testament, when it was completed.  We are also going to see that the “woman” and “Babylon” in Revelation are synonyms for what we see as the church in its dead state, finally. 

Let us read Revelation 17:3-5:

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman …

We want to focus on the word “woman” here.

… sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, …

So this woman’s name is called a “MYSTERY.”  It is:


So the first thing that we want to look at and focus on is the fact that the “woman” in Revelation 17 is also called “Babylon” and it is a “mystery.”  It is “the mother of harlots.”  So, in other words, this “harlot” (I am going to use another synonym) is a “whore,” and we will also see how this is used in the Scriptures as well. 

In Revelation 17:16, we see here:

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, …

This is a synonym for “harlot.” 

… and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

So we want to understand here that the “whore,” the “harlot”—mystery, Babylon the Great—is going to be made desolate.  And “desolate” is a word that we are going to look at in a second to see what it means. 

But let us turn to Revelation 18:2 and pick up the same theme: 

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great …

Here is the same mystery, “Mystery Babylon.”  It is the “woman.”  It is the “whore.”  It is the “harlot.”  These are all synonyms.

Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Let us take a look at this verse to see what it is saying: “Babylon is fallen and is become the habitation of devils.”  So it was not (the habitation of devils) before this.  Do you see this?  There is a big difference here. 

The prince of the power of the air,” the devil, has reign over the earth, but God has protected His church through time in many ways, even though we know that the seeds of the tares were planted from the very beginning.  But it has “become the habitation of devils.” 

Then in Revelation 18:19, we read:

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, …

This is “Babylon” again, “that great city.”

… wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

As we have learned, this term “one hour” is a term of judgment.  This “one hour” is not talking about just the final day of judgment, the judgment day as we have understood it or thought through time.  But “one hour” is also synonymous with the whole great tribulation, because we read elsewhere in Revelation that it talks about “half an hour.”  Remember, “there was silence in Heaven about the space of half an hour” (Revelation 8:1), which is a reference to the first part of the tribulation.  The whole hour is the whole great tribulation, which we understand to be 23 years. 

So we see here that during this “hour,” the great tribulation—we are not going to define it here, but that is what this is—she is made desolate.  So the church is dead during the whole great tribulation period, all 23 years. 

We understand that this started on Pentecost of 1988.  We understand that this is when the beginning of the tribulation began; therefore, the church has been desolate since then.  Even if you were in it until 2001, or however long you were in a church, it was desolate during the great tribulation. 

As I said, this study is going to be two-fold.  We are going to see in a moment the timeline of history and why it is that we are living in this day right now. 

So this desolation, what is it?  What does it mean to be desolate? 

Desolate means you are deserted.  It means that there is no one around.  You are joyless.  You are made sorrowful through the separation of a loved one. 

It is interesting that this is also one of our English definitions of desolate.  You are sorrowful because of a separation from a loved one.  When someone is married and their spouse dies, a proper English term to use is that they are left desolate, which is how we use this term in English. 

Interestingly enough, this is exactly the terminology that is used in the Greek here to mean that it is desolate.  This “Babylon”, this “city”, this “whore”, this “harlot” is made desolate. 

So it is being separated from a loved one, and we are going to soon see who the church was married to.  Who was the church the bride of?  She was the bride of Christ, in a corporate sense, although we know that every believer is the bride of Christ still today and always was.  But Christ leaves the church, so she is left desolate. 

What did Daniel say? And in Matthew 24, Jesus referred to “the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,” remember?

Let us turn to Matthew 24 and we will read one or two verses there.  The whole context of Matthew 24 is the end of time, the return of Christ, because the apostles said to Him in Matthew 24:3:

… Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So the context of Matthew 24 is the end of the world, and Jesus answers (this question) in verse 4, along with the rest of chapter 24, as well as chapter 25.  This is all the answer.  Jesus answers the question, “When shall be the end of the world?”  And everything that He says in Matthew 24 and 25 is talking about the end of time. 

So in Matthew 24:14-15, He says here:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

When Jesus said this, was the book of Revelation written yet?  No, it was not.  So when He says here:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, …

We need to turn to Daniel to see where this is talked about. 

What else could we say today when we see the desolation spoken of by the Apostle John in the book of Revelation, because that word “desolate” is all over the book of Revelation?  We just read the word “desolate” a few times in chapters 17 and 18. 

So this desolation that we read about in Matthew 24 and in Revelation is the same thing.  It is the same concept of being desolate or left separate or sorrowful because you are separated from a loved one. 

We will read this one verse in Daniel.  This is where Daniel is giving a timeline of history in a very cryptic way, and he says in Daniel 9:27:

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, …

Do you see that it is because of the abominations?  And what was said in Revelation?  The “whore” was full of abominations.  Abominations; the same word is being woven in and out in Daniel, in Matthew 24, and in Revelation. 

… abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, …

And when is that going to be? The consummation is going to be the very, very end of time. 

… and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So this wrath is going to be poured upon the desolate.  Who is left desolate?  “Babylon,” the “woman”—these are all synonyms in Revelation—the “whore,” the “harlot.”  These are all left desolate and therefore there was going to be an overspreading of abominations.  “The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet” is the devil, Satan himself, and he is standing “in the holy place.” 

Because of this, we see that the “whore,” the “harlot,” “Babylon,” the “woman” is being judged.  So we see that we cannot deny that the context of Revelation is the church. 

So I am saying that the church is “Babylon,” the “woman,” the “whore.”  Why?  Why do I make this leap?  Do we have other things to prove this? 

Well, look at Revelation 18:7.  Let us just prove this quickly.  In Revelation 18:7, we read here about this “whore,” this “Babylon,” this “harlot”:    

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: …

So, in other words, she is going to be tormented and have sorrow.  She is going to be judged.

… for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, …

And who is a queen next to?  She is next to a king.  And who is the King in the Bible?  Jesus Christ is the King.  He is the “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:16).

So she has said, “I sit a queen.”  Does anyone else, does any other organization on the earth say that they are a queen, spiritually?  Yes, it is the church.  The church says that they are married to Christ, “We are the bride of Christ” (Ephesians 5).  The church believes that they are the queen.

… I sit a queen, and am no widow, …

Meaning what?  What is the church claiming?  They are claiming that they are the bride of Christ, that they have not died, that He has not died, that He has not left them, that they are not desolate.  Remember that the word “desolate” in the English means to be sorrowful because of a separation from a loved one.  You are widowed, but the church is saying, “I am not a widow.” 

But I am saying that the church is a widow.  The church is dead.  It was left desolate in 1988 and judgment began at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17). 

And she continues to say in Revelation 18:7:

… and shall see no sorrow.

Well then, what does God say in Revelation 18:8

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, …

Remember that “one hour” or “one day” are all synonyms for the great tribulation.

… death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: …

When is the fire going to be?  When is the geenna fire?  It will be on the last day of the earth’s existence, which will be October 21, 2011.  This is when the great conflagration will occur, when the burning will occur.

… for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

So who is judging the church?  Is it persecution from the world?  Is it persecution from communism?  Is it persecution from dictators from the world?  Will it be Hollywood coming down hard on the Bible belt? 

No.  No, the judgment is coming, the Bible says here in Revelation 18:8, from the Lord God.  God is judging the church. 

This is where we get this from.  I am not making this up.  This is the book of Revelation defining its terms.  However cryptically, nonetheless, when we dig and ferret out the meanings of these words and tie them together with Daniel and with Matthew and with, of course, so much of Jeremiah and Ezekiel and Isaiah, it all ties into the book of Revelation.

So this is where we are left.  We have no other choice but to say that judgment has begun at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17).  And this is what it is.  It is being judged today, as we sit here and talk about it. 

Well, to further prove the point that “Babylon” is the church in Revelation and that it is being judged, we will look at Revelation 18:23.  But before I read this, let me ask a question.  What is the context of the book of Revelation in chapters 1, 2, and 3?  If you had a homework assignment in an English class and you had to read the 22 chapters of Revelation and the teacher asked, “What is the context of this book?  The first three chapters talk about one thing.  What is it?” 

The number seven comes into view, because the seven churches are talked about in Revelation 1, 2, and 3.  Seven is the number of completion, meaning and inferring all, the whole corporate body, and God has a lot of negative things to say about these seven churches.  He is not lifting them up and saying how glorious and wonderful they are.  Right away, God is remonstrating over their falling away so quickly from the truth. 

How does this end in Revelation when it talks about the seven candles?  Do you remember?

When it talks about the seven churches in the book of Revelation, remember that this is in chapters 1, 2, and 3.  Jesus talks about the candles and He says in Revelation 1:20:

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So the seven candlesticks are a synonym, a metaphor for the seven churches that give light.  And what does He say in Revelation 18:23?   We were talking about “Babylon.”  He says in Revelation 18:23:

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; …

The light is being taken out of the seven churches.  Revelation is not talking about 90 A.D.  It is talking about the future, the end of the world. 

So the churches are being judged.  The candle is pulled out.  It is blown out.  There is no more light.  Then He says here:

… and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: …

Who is the bridegroom?  The man is Jesus Christ.  The bride is the believers. 

Hence, the reason why the believers were called out of the church is because the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride are heard no more in her.  So not only did Jesus leave through the Holy Spirit—Christ left the church and withdrew from the church at this time of the great tribulation—but the bride herself was called to come out.  And where do we read that?  We read that in Revelation 18:4:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Do you see this?  God commands us to come out, not to stay in.  The voice of the bride or the bridegroom will not be heard in her any longer, hence the reason why I claim, why we are claiming, that the church is dead.  And the book of Revelation is the book that proves this, unequivocally. 

If you look at all the metaphors in the book of Revelation, there is no other result that you can come to other than the fact that “Babylon” is the corporate church.  It is not just the Catholic Church, as the Protestants used to think years ago, because the seven churches are not talking about the Catholic Church.  The seven churches of Revelation 1, 2, and 3 are the whole body, all; this is what seven means. 

God created the world in six days and on the seventh day, He rested. The number seven is the number of completeness; it is all the churches.  Unfortunately, this is the state that we are in.  This is where we are today. 

“Babylon” is another name for the temple of Jerusalem, which is why God says in Revelation 21, towards the end of the book—and as I read this, listen to why this language is used here—Revelation 21:2:

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Why?  What had happened?  The old Jerusalem, Jerusalem from the Old Testament, was destroyed.  “The veil of the temple was rent in twain” (Matthew 27:51) when Christ hung on the Cross.  He had nothing to do with the Jewish ceremonies any longer or the synagogue anymore.  The new Jerusalem, so-to-speak, was the New Testament church, the temple of God, but that has been destroyed, as far as Him pulling out from it.  It will be burned with fire on the last day and then this “new Jerusalem” will be the body of believers.  It will be the bride of Christ coming out of Heaven “as a bride adorned for her husband.”  Do you see why?  Because the old one was destroyed, the old one was judged. 

So here we are. The church is dead. You need to come out of it if you are in it today.  Come out of it because it is being judged.  Again, 1 Peter 4:17 says:

… judgment must begin at the house of God: …

We are in that time. 

I am going to spend the rest of the time here to briefly show that we are in this time that this book talks about.  If this was 1825 and we were saying this and understood this, we would have to ask if this was happening then or if this would be something that would happen in the distant future.  But today we understand, because of the timeline, that this is now.  This is why we understand that the great tribulation started in 1988 and that 2011 will be the end the great tribulation and the world. 

Let us transition a little bit into this end of time.  The most obvious example in the Scriptures, the most clear, is in 2 Peter 3.  The whole chapter of 2 Peter 3 is talking about the end of the world, as well as scoffers, which is what we read in verses 3 and 4, “Where is the promise of His coming?” and “All things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”  But they are ignorant of something that we read in verses 5-6.  Peter says they area ignorant of this, 2 Peter 3:5-6:

… the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

What event was this?  When did the earth perish with water?  It perished with water at the time of Noah’s flood, and I refer you to the timeline of history studies (from Genesis 5, Genesis 10, Genesis 11) that we have done to prove that this was 4990 B.C. exactly.  These chapters contain clues in the Bible about timelines. i.e., the flood happened in 4990 B.C. 

Then we read in verses 7-9, 2 Peter 3:7-9:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, …

So God has kept them since the flood.  They have been:

… reserved unto fire …

Because there is going to be a fire on October 21, 201, which is going to burn it all up.  This will be the final day. 

It continues: 

… against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Then the Lord says:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise…but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, …

In the context of all of this talk, we read about the end of the world and how it will be just like Noah’s flood.  In Genesis 7:4, God said, “Noah in seven days I am going to bring the flood.  Bring the animals.  I am going to call them to you to bring them into the ark,” and He gave him a seven-day warning. 

Well, “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years.”  So do the math.  Seven days is equivalent to 7,000 years.  7,000 years from 4990 B.C. until the end is 2011.  There is no year “zero” in our calendar when we go from B.C. to A.D., so 4990 to 2011 is exactly 7,000 years. 

This is why we are talking about the end of time coming in two years and this is why we are talking about the death of the church.  It has already happened. The whole final tribulation—that “whore,” that “harlot,” “Babylon,” that “woman” in Revelation—is being judged and has been judged. 

It would do you well to get out of the church if you are still there today.  If you are here today, you recognize this.  Count your blessings that God has pulled you out. 

What else do we see?  How long was the church age?  Well, it was exactly 1,955 years from Pentecost in 33 A.D. to May 21, 1988.  1988 was the 13,000th-year anniversary of the world and it would be followed by the 23-year great tribulation.  And, again, I turn you to the timeline of history for more detail about proving these facts in the statement that I just made. 

But as we look at the 23 years, from 1988 up to 2011, what did we learn about the Feast day that most identifies with Christ’s return and judgment?  Remember that we are speaking of the Feast of Ingathering, the Feast of Tabernacles, which falls where in our calendar of 2011? 

The eighth day of the Feast falls on October 21, 2011.  This is why we are saying that the world will be burned up on October 21, 2011, because that great Feast is what really identifies with Christ’s return. 

There are a lot of things that prove this as well, but my purpose today was not to go through this issue, point-by-point.  I just wanted to state this and refer you to other studies, if you want more detail on this. 

So this great tribulation, from May 21, 1988 to October 21, 2011, is 8,553 days, which happens to be 8,400 days + 153 days [note: speaker inadvertently said “years” instead of “days” in relation to the 8,553 and the 8,400].  What is the significance of this? 

Remember, we talked before about how the number 84 ties into the great tribulation.  We cannot get away from this. 

For example, in the famine in Jacob’s day, we read in Acts 7:11-12, where God says:

Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction [tribulation]: …

The proper translation of this word in the Greek is tribulation, although it says “affliction” here in the King James.

… and our fathers found no sustenance. But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.

How long was this famine?  Do you remember Joseph’s dream?  How many years was that famine going to last?  It was going to last seven years.  How many months are in seven years?  There are 84 months exactly. 

Alright, so big deal.  We are talking about great tribulation here in Jacob’s time, and seven years happens to be 84 months.  Let us keep this in the back of our minds and move on. 

Do you remember when Judah was destroyed by the Babylonians in the Old Testament?  That was a great picture of the destruction of the New Testament church that is occurring today.  It was from 609 B.C. to 539 B.C. until they were finally liberated, which was 70 years. 

So here again, we seen seven years of famine with Jacob, which was 84 months, and now we have 70 years.  If this has a multiple of 10, how many months would this be?  It would be 840. 

So now we are focusing again on 7, 70, 84, or 840.  The number 84 is really being elevated and focused on here. 

Well, we are saying that the final tribulation is 23 years, which is 8,553 days and not really divisible by 84.  However, it is when we look at the book of Revelation and see how God ends the very end of the great tribulation. 

The rapture will occur exactly 8,400 days from the day that the great tribulation started in May 21, 1988—this is when the church age really, officially ended and the wrath of God was poured out on “Babylon,” the “whore,” the “harlot,” the “woman” of Revelation—which is exactly 8,400 days until May 21, 2011.  Well, okay, but what is the significance of this? 

Well, this is the rapture and the rapture is when God will take His bride out of this earth.  Those who are His will be raptured to be with Him.  But this also happens to be the seventeenth day of the second month of the ceremonial calendar from the Bible. 

I said that May 21, 2011 is the seventeenth day of the second month ceremonially, so let us look at Genesis 7 just so we can prove this.  What does God say about Noah’s flood?  In Genesis 7:4, He said:

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

And then He says in Genesis 7:11:

In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Look what happened in Genesis 7:16 on that seventeenth day of the second month:

And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

The LORD shut him in.”  What happened after that?  The great rains came.  The flood came and after forty days of constant rain, it destroyed every living substance from the earth. 

What is going to happen on the seventeenth day of the second month in 2011?  That is going to be the day of the rapture when the Lord will shut in all those who have been saved.  His bride will be taken. 

And what is going to happen to those who are left behind?  Will they have forty days of rain?  No, God is not going to destroy the world by water again.  We know this because He put the rainbow in the sky as a covenant and said, “I will never do this again with water” (Genesis 9:13-15).  But He is going to do it by fire. 

Well, what exactly is going to happen?  How many days are left? 

If 8,400 days have transpired from the beginning of the tribulation until the rapture, there are 153 days left.  And it just so happens to be that there are 153 days in our calendar in 2011, exactly, from May 21 to October 21, which is the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles, the final day of the Feast. 

So this is exactly a period of five months, exactly.  Well, what is the significance of this? 

In Revelation 9:5, look at what we read. 

And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

And Revelation 9:10:

And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

So in Noah’s day, it was forty days of constant rain.  During the flood, they were all wiped out. 

In our time, two years from now, it is going to be the rapture, after 8,400 days exactly from the beginning of the great tribulation.  This will be followed by all those who are left behind, those who were not shut in with Christ and taken into glory.  For that five- month period, they are going to be tormented on this earth.  Sadly, they are going to be tormented until that great day of that geenna fire.  I am using the Greek term now for this.  It will be the geenna fire when all of this universe will be burned up, as 2 Peter 3 tells us.  It will be a fervent heat that will melt everything and destroy everyone. 

So this is the timeline in a nutshell. This is the issue at hand. The church is dead.  Christ’s bride, corporately, was finally left desolate for the whole “one hour” of the great tribulation period.  We are commanded to “Come out of her.”  He said in Revelation 18:4, “Come out of her, my people.”  We are living in that day when the end is just two years away. 

Where do you stand today?  Are you obedient to God’s command? Are you fearful of what you read in the Scriptures of His wrath, of His anger that is being poured out today on His church and even, eventually, on the whole world with that five months of unbelievable torment?  This torment is given, as we see here in this language, to these scorpions, which is a picture of the great judgment that God is going to unleash on all mankind.    

Make sure that you are shut into the ark, that you are taken up with Christ.  Cry out today for mercy that He would be pleased to have grace upon you to save you, to spare you.  It is a great thing to pray, “Spare me, Lord, from this great judgment that has already begun at the house of God, so that when this happens across the whole universe, I will not be here for this.  I pray that You will be pleased to have mercy on me and to save me and to rapture me, if I am still alive on that day.” 

May this be the portion of every single one of us who hears and listens to this today, and also me, that God would have mercy on each one of us.  Amen.

Q&A (Paraphrased)

Q. You say that the church is going to be burned with fire, mystery Babylon, which you were talking about from Revelation 17 & 18.  Is this going to include all Bible-believing churches, too, as part of this judgment?

A. That great conflagration, the fire of October 21, 2011, will include every single living human being who is on the earth at that point in time, including anyone in the churches, synagogues, mosques, or wherever they are.  There will be no salvation after May 21, 2011. 

The LORD shut him in,” after eight people were saved on the ark.  So there will be no one left after May 21, 2011 who could be saved or who will be spared.  So we are left with that fear.

Q. So all the families need to be warned to be given the opportunity to get out?

A. That is what we are trying to do today.  We try to use our lives to warn others and to share the truth.  This is why we have a missions team who going to go to Brazil in July to do this very thing.  The whole purpose of this trip is to warn people of this great conflagration that is coming, the incredible wrath of God that will be poured out.

Q. I am confused about 1988.  How come we did not come out in 1988?

A. That is a great question.  Why did God hold this from our eyes and we not realize that the church was dead? 

He withdrew His Spirit and we did not find out about this and understand this until maybe 2001.  Some people had come out earlier, but the majority of people today—those who are here, for instance—came out in 2001 or later. 

This is just the way in which God chose to reveal this.  It was in His time.  This shows us how humble we all need to walk, how meek we need to be, because we were right in the middle of it, too.

Q. Was not the Holy Spirit still in there in 1988 when this did happen? 

A. From the Scriptures, this does not appear to be the case. 

Q. So the Word of God was not telling us this, right?

A. It was always in the Bible.  Revelation has always been in the Bible, this information about Babylon.  Why people thought it was the Catholic Church, I do not know.  Well, I do know.  When you have an enemy, you try to fit them into ugly language that you read, see, and hear about.  To the Protestant churches, the Catholic Church was the enemy.  They were the dominant force in Europe at that time during the Reformation, so they started to believe that “Babylon,” the “whore,” the “blood of the saints,” etc., had to be the Catholic Church. 

We did not understand this because God had not revealed it.  But we are no smarter.  As a matter of fact, I am going to speak for myself, I am less smart, less intellectual than many of those men in the Reformation, all of them.  I am a lot less intellectual myself.  It is just that God did not decide to reveal it until now.

Thank you for the questions.